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One of the topics that continues to generate the most drama on this blog is how to bring paypal money into Kenya. I must add that one of the enjoyable things about running a blog is the type of things that you get to see and hear.
Well, there is a new entrant into the paypal money to Kenya drama and they call themselves an interesting name – ‘Eazy-pay’, which is basically a derivative of larger companies. That is the first danger sign online; it often means that someone is trying to pass off as someone else. I'd like to clarify, by the way, that on the company choice to bring paypal into Kenya; I have no shares with any company anywhere that you will use to bring Paypal into Kenya.
I do not have beef with anyone working to generate a business in a field that is largely uncontested either. However, I have learned in the last couple of years, that I do have readers who trust my guidance. I therefore have grown more careful with what I recommend through posts on this blog, because I have results to live with.
God knows Ceasar and Co. at Epay-kenya.com can attest that I am not a push over client, just one who is happy with good service to bring paypal into Kenya. So if you are looking for a company for bringing paypal money to Kenya, I still go with Epay-kenya.com, and they are yet to restore the affiliate platform anyway, so I am not even making a referral here. Lol…
I rarely write an entry this long, but Eazy-pay as an option to bring paypal into Kenya had me going. Let me give my TEN reasons why I will not support Eazy-pay as an option to bring paypal into Kenya just yet.
Ten reasons why Paula Thayrow blogs will not support Eazy-pay just yet!
1. My gut feeling: I have been online long enough to know how to ‘sorora’ a credible company [someone please translate sorora for me]. I looked through all the information they gave, and my gut feeling is there is something not quite right.
2. Website standards: there are rules of website development and a business offering a service as serious as money that does not have an ‘about us’, ‘how it works’, ‘contact us’ pages is seriously lacking in finesse to give confidence for money matters.
3. Cheap, cheap, very cheaply designed website: When the only information on your website is a form with two entries, and you want me to give you my money, you have another thing coming! You can get a decent website, designed for free and hosted for about three grand. I talk about how to make money online with free to start methods all the time – at least READ my blogs! I am sure if one looked around, they can get a credible e-commerce website done with about five to ten grand.
4. Over-stating: Blatant lies have a way of short-changing your agenda when you are starting out in business. When you send me a message saying I can bring in money FROM PAYPAL in less than FIVE MINUTES to my LOCAL BANK, something there is a joke. Even on my own legal transactions, I need more than five minutes to get anything paypal into Kenya.
5. Using facebook as a launch platform: that can be done, but not with the information of the previous point which reeks of an untruth.
6. Domain name: When you have a seriously hackneyed domain name, that means a domain name that is likely to belong to another 500 BIG companies, online, it smells very strongly of a scam. Even ‘google.com’ can’t find you, and the bot can’t even find your facebook.com page! That's serious!!
7. Using an anonymous comment to sell your product: Every marketer (hopefully) knows that when you want anyone, even little Paula Thayrow to support your product, you do not start at sending an anonymous message. Yetch! A simple email, with your name and contact, and describing your service, and I would have posted it here openly for free.
8. Using names with phone numbers as recommendations: Come on guys, I live and work in Kenya. People do that baloney from prison all the time in this country. Try something more creative! There is a way to do credible testimonials online!
9. Blatant financial information: When you are doing a money business, and you tell me, So-and-so, complete with their name and phone number brought in $450.00 USD, $96.00 USD, $242.00 USD, $213.00 USD, $111.00 USD, $124.00 USD, then I know something is very much amiss. No one shares their money information, name, and telephone contact in PUBLIC.
10. Obvious signs of cheap work: I could give a page full of these, but let me start with that last ‘copy’ and ‘paste’. Anyone in the money world knows that ‘$’ and ‘USD’ in context mean the exact same thing.
Any ‘nyeuthi’ classy enough to have been given a go ahead by the United States of America to make transactions with security issues such as bringing paypal money to Kenya surely does not type in CAPS. I work online and I know - the racist roadblocks are real.
Anyone, who is serious enough to be in the money world and knowledgeable enough to bring paypal money to Kenya knows that people’s names are written with a capital letter first. It is a proper noun. And I could go on…
All the sample numbers of people I could call who by your word brought paypal money to Kenya had a variation of only three prefixes. From my probability classes, and research classes, this came straight from a person who is NOT getting my money!
‘PROVEN’ is a dangerous word to use if your client base of people who brought paypal money to Kenya is under 100 people, and with only 26 ‘likes’ on FB, you are in seriously untested waters here.
I support young entrepreneurs, but there are standards, especially in the money business. Find them out, and then come back to me, and in the same breathe, if you want to create a business to bring paypal money into Kenya for goodness sake, please look the money part!
At least then if its a hoax you will have ‘cheated’ a few before we find you out. The Kenyan online community of people who bring paypal money into Kenya is filled with very intelligent people and your style is just not up to par.
Anyway, in short, I will NOT support the Eazy-pay service just yet! I will not even dignify your efforts, by asking some people to 'lose money' and come tell us.
Now, for the very curious, here is the ‘anonymous’ message posted as a comment on this blog, clearly intended to announce this new service to bring paypal money to Kenya. I have done ‘copy’ and ‘paste’ but have removed personal details as I am not sure if they want public display. Where the ‘X’ is caps, the information was in caps, and where the ‘x’ is lower case, the information was in lower case, except for phone numbers.
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“HELLO
YOU CAN WITHDRAW MONEY FROM PAYPAL WITHIN 5 MINUTES TO YOUR LOCAL BANK OR M-PESA. FASTEST, SIMPLE AND PROVEN WAY TO WITHDRAW MONEY FROM PAYPAL IN KENYA.
www.0000000.com for more information call 07xxxx
YOU CAN INQUIRE FROM OUR SATISFIED CUSTOMERS
Lxxxxxxx Oxxxxxx 07xxx $96.00 USD
TXXXXXX KXXXXXX 07xxxx $450.00 USD
mxxxxx oxxxxx 07xxx $242.00 USD
Cxxxxxxx Fxxxxx Organization 07xxx $213.00 USD
vxxxxxxx oxxxxx 07xxx $111.00 USD
Jxxxxx Mxxxxxx 07xxx $124.00 USD
AND MANY OTHERS...............YOU CAN CONFIRM FROM THEM..........”
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Well just read your blog and the skepticism you have over that. As far as i am concerned, this is perhaps one of the outstanding paypal-mpesa site i have come across. I have used their services and they are good. Perhaps you judged a book by its cover. I have been in the market for quite sometime and i am ACTUALLY ADVISING PEOPLE TO STAY AWAY FROM A SITE SUCH AS paypesa.com. They are dam concompany. I have lost my money in their hands.....
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, unfortunately your comment is unclear who exactly you wish to support of the two companies mentioned here; one could be a fraud, the other is genuine. Epay-Kenya.com has proven themselves over time. You can read my first review of their service written in 2010 on the post here:
Deletehttp://workinkenya.blogspot.com/2010/12/withdraw-paypal-money-kenya.html
Meanwhile, you do bring a valid point into focus; there are tons of money exchange companies out there with very similar names. Readers and people working online should be keen when dealing with a money site.
Please note, I am only in support of EPAY-KENYA.COM at the moment. I do not recommend any other company this far, but as soon as I get another, I will add that review to this blog.
I agree with you too that we must keep warning people about sites that do not look genuine, or of places where we have lost money. Up to now, my reservations about Eazy-pay remain. I do promise, the first tangible evidence of the authenticity of their business, I will put a post and an honest review of them here.
Thank you Anonymous
If eazy-pay are as good as Anonymous want us to believe, please explain why the have silently faded out (read closed down) and re-opened as kash-link.com without informing the public of this rather suspicious change? When epay re-branded from e-pesa, they made a series of announcements to their members and up to date (two years later) they still maintain a notification on the e-pesa.net site to the effect that they have migrated to a newly branded platform by the name epay-kenya. Publishing your customers classified info in order to market your services is in bad taste, migrating to another domain without notifying your customers or public is an outstanding symptom of 'con-manship'. People, be aware, make informed decisions.
ReplyDeleteWe are happy to announce the reduction of deposit transaction fee from 12% + USD 1.5 per transaction to 10% + USD 1.5 per transaction with immediate effect. The withdrawal fee remains USD 3 irrespective of the amount withdrawn. Many of you have spoken, we have been listening and finally we are able to do something. We thank you most sincerely for having given us the opportunity to work on the modalities which gave us the leeway to reduce the rates with the only string attached being more savings for you.
ReplyDeleteIn another development, we have introduced an ePAY Community Forum on our website. Use this platform to share your ePAY experience with other community members, find solutions to common challenges, communicate to ePAY team, express yourself etc. We are committed to enhancing your experience at ePAY-KENYA.
This move was timely. Some of us had to unwillingly contend to dealing with Jua Kali service providers like the one described in this post due to the rates. Now we are back to epay to stay as your service level and professionalism is unmatched, not to mention the security aspect as I always know my money is safe. Long live epay!!
DeleteHey i just saw your posts and i can say thay neither of what sites are discussed here are ok... epay-kenya does not encrypt its data fully just click on the logo beside the Url and it will give you encryption details...i just saw a site called k-paycash.com its just the place you need to be for the encryption is okay and the services are too many....hey the affiliate program is one of a kind...
ReplyDeleteHi lemmie correct myself on epays security, i double checked their encryption is okay. But the k-paycash.com i have used them and their service is credible and the rates are good. I think its developed by kenyans hence they undestand our needs much more...you can check it out. Maybe we just found what weve been waiting for...
ReplyDeleteHow much more Kenyan can anyone become with a name like "Waganagwa" honestly?
DeleteAnyway, thank you for the head's up on k-paycash.com, now we know there is a new service provider out there. I wish they could get their decimal places right. Just saying.
Thanks again Mkenya Daima - wewe ni wetu!
I am abit sceptical about this kpaycash guys. I don't understand most of the information on their site like the "instant money on your cell phone" then on the same breath they say the money will go to your paypal account. They should also publish the "current rate" because when you write to ask what it is they don't respond. So we appreciate they are kenyans but wa! the spelling mistakes! I have had my paypal account previously blocked so am very cautious..
ReplyDeleteHi pple..i have used the k-paycash and they have proved to be credible...they are new though but i can say at least they worked hard to get things right for me...they are also very helpful and supportive...anonymous...when you deposit money to your k-paycash account from paypal, its easy this....you then go to payments then send payment and in the email you use mobile@k-paycash.com and then wait to see your phone vibrating...they did mine in like 9 mins....will use them in the mean time....
ReplyDeleteWhy would you use a brand name like "iWriter" to support a business we have already said we don't trust. It doesn't help their cause much, but anyway, thanks for the head's up.
DeleteThe same tone of expression used by Mr. or Mrs. iWriter is synonymous to the appalling language used on the website or is it a coincidence?
DeleteGoing through the posts on this blog, I smell a rat from K-paycash. No punk intended Mr. Mkenya Daima and with all due respect to your sales speech. My sentiments are guided by the following facts:
ReplyDelete1. A money service provider who changes his identity 3 times within a span of two months does not by any means get close to passing the public integrity test and trust. Started as eazy-pay, then kash-link.com and now k-paycash.com. God knows what they will be tomorrow!
2. With all due respect to patriotism, my primary consideration when seeking for money transfer services is safety. No need to mention that the site is owned by Kenyans as this might actually work to the disadvantage of your service provider. Request them to address the very amateurish site format, not to mention the mutilation of the English language before they can request Kenyans to trust them.
3. All the commission rates are published on the website but there is one fundamental variable that has been left out for the convenience of the service provider, THE DAILY EXCHANGE RATE. My effort to find out why the rate is not published from the 'staff' was futile as I got this answer 'we give the best rates as published by the Nairobi Stock Exchange'! I repeat, NSE. What has NSE got to do with forex? Pleaaseeeee...! I felt insulted and hung up. We are therefore left guessing why this vital information is held as top secret.
In conclusion we appreciate the efforts that all service providers are making in order to mitigate for Paypal's shortfall in Kenya. Some of us have nothing else to fallback to as a means of livelihood besides online business. I have been conned by dubious service providers in the past and hate to see this happen to a fellow Kenyan. Be careful, when a deal looks too good to be true, it probably is (too good to be true).
Wow! All I can say is, the plot thickens...
DeleteOver to you "whosoever you really are" behind k-paycash.com
There are some serious allegations there...
And then there is another service provider whose first mention, at least to me, did not come with praise: www.okoaonline.weebly.com
ReplyDeleteAnybody heard about them?
Hi people...thanks to who directed me here, I have seen there is a lot of heat here on k-PayCash. Its always ones instinct to be secure, mostly when it comes to issues of money. Being skeptical is always good for it makes us trend on safe grounds. I would like to clear some doubts which you may have on k-PayCash.
ReplyDeleteOne, we don't know who was or is eazy-pay or kash-link and have no links with them whatsoever. k-PayCash is under KTALKS NETWORKS a organization which its main goal is to create an online Kenyan community which is self sustaining. Any allegations on k-PayCash in link with other 'sites' or organizations as mentioned is not true. The only other site in our network is k-talks.com which is a social Kenyan site.
Secondly, James, Am the Agent on duty and the claims you are raising on NSE and Rates aren't authentic. Am the agent who deals with PayPal deposits and withdrawal and didn't receive a call from you...I received some calls on rates and the response i gave was "The rate for these week from USD to KSHS is 82.5 and this rate is dependent on our system and its constant on weekly basis" but thanks to you guys, we will publish the rates in our homepage :-).
Thirdly, k-PayCash is not all about PayPal withdrawal, that's only an add on for the Kenyan Market. k-PayCash is oriented on letting people send and receive money via email address. We also offer merchant features which can be integrated in the merchants website to accepts and process payments securely on their website and many more features. For Paula Thayrow....the affiliate is here :-).
Our development team is looking on bringing more for you on k-PayCash.
Please for any inquiries mail us at support@k-paycash.com and be sure to get assisted.
Okay! Thank you for the clarification, Timothy.
DeleteIt seems the major beef many people have with you and what caused them to link you with whosoever is the language: I may go as far as calling it grammar and spelling.
It comes as a surprise to me too by the way. Maybe getting an editor will solve that issue. There is a "contact Paula" page under "Navigate here..." on this blog. I am an seasoned editor and I can help you sort that one out - at a small fee of course.
Sorry Timothy. Maybe comprehension can be added onto the list of your handicaps. My name is Joram, not James. I agree, you seriously need to talk to Paula privately. Thank you for publishing the rates albeit the fact that the text scroll is so slow that one might give up before the actual rate appears. I am a web designer and can help you feature a more attractive and effective Marquee. I however insist that whoever I spoke to regarding the rates talked about your rates being in tandem with Nairobi Stock Exchange. I am not insane and I have absolutely no other agenda but setting the records straight.
DeleteTo all kenyans who might be thinking about using K-paycash services, you have more reasons to think twice. Timothy's denial of the multiple identity is enough reason. K-paycash, Eazy-pay and Kash-link are all sites owned and operated by the same proprietor. A closer look at their website functionality will only make you freak out. These chaps have no experience in PHP scripts and as a result, their withdraw options are not functional. Instead, they feature blatant lies at the bottom of their fees page to the effect that they have partnered with Safaricom, Orange etc to provide instant money delivery. First of all, we all know how much the mentioned Mobile operators value their image. 'Partnering with K-paycash??' You may want to judge that for yourself. The 'send money' option for this script was designed for a completely different function but not withdrawing!! Again, if you want, I can assist you Timothy. I rest my case by reminding Kenyans to trend carefully. Where there is smoke, there is fire. I am a victim of deceit.
Gentlemen, more specifically Joram, go easy on the language. Name calling starts with one party introducing name calling that was not there in the first place. It is uncalled for! No one alluded to your mental state - please stick to the topic!
DeleteSecondly, it is possible that your having been conned once or severally has made you overly sensitive. K-paycash have a right to state who they are and I will post it without prejudice. If we get user reviews that state otherwise, we will know how to handle those.
Three, I too have no knowledge of PHP, and I do not even know what that means. Technically, most users will not know or care either. All systems have technical glitches at the outset, it is the responsibility of the business owners to solve those in-house and not ours to point them out publicly as proof that their business is not genuine. As a factor for legitimacy, it is neither here nor there. Majority of con-persons are usually very savvy on their systems.
Finally, K-paycash, do work on your systems (and the presentation of your content) to build credibility. As I pointed out indirectly in the blog post above, money is sensitive and if people do not trust you for issues such as the one's mentioned in the comments here, you can mess a good idea. Do take the criticisms in good faith (if you have started in good faith) and amend where you can.
This blog wishes you well if indeed your intentions are noble. If not, we will still find you out. The Kenyan online community, fortunately, has some very intelligent persons. It is the reason many of them, who speak English as a third or fourth language, sell 'English' to native English speakers and 'web language' to the original 'speakers' of internet languages.
....and now K-paycash website is not available (at least for now). Speculations are that it has gone down with many of their customers' paypal accounts. Give them a few more days and the string expands: eazy-pay, Kash-link, K-paycash......maybe the next is shilingi-link. Either way beware. I am sorry Paula, I made a commitment to create awareness among unsuspecting innocent Kenyans after what I went through. Am not just a critic for the sake. Where there is smoke, in many cases there is fire!
DeleteThank you for the info Joram. Well, if they went under, and people lost money, they cant say they were not warned that there could be trouble over out yonder... :-)
Deletewell,well,well...their is certainly a war of words between two businesses hiding behind some individuals names.come on guys its clear for everyone to see. I have personally used a number of paypal to Kenya payment services and i can comment beyond reasonable doubt that all of this guys have tried and non has ever failed me. My latest to use was k-paycash which delivered my money on my mobile phone as quickly as I needed it.
ReplyDeleteCommon guys...if you have been knocked out of business by some other guys their are better ways to attack and win over them other than childish, misleading writings that are only intended to serve individuals interests.
Only a lazy man would choose envy over creative thinking in a quest to defeat the enemy...hehehe...just saying.
Finally, thanks Paula Thayrow for this place where we get to read and contribute to such burning issues.
"Only a lazy man would choose envy over creative thinking in a quest to defeat the enemy!" The words of an elder in a true African baraza!
DeleteThank you too, Anonymous!
cool blog posts; but seem you are epay or close ally = bad for informaive blog; you in for a shock and collapse the blog from adsense bucks. share info not recommendation readers will judge and choose. or else continue and monitor readers hits!!!!
ReplyDeleteThank you Anonymous.
DeleteLet me correct that - I have no association with ANY company including ePay-Kenya and I state so clearly in my posts.
I simply state the option for bringing paypal money into Kenya that has worked for me. But I do wonder why you think I am 'recommending' only that one service and not the other tens of other services spoken about on this blog?
Anyone reading this post alongside others is free to choose to go wheresoever, and I state so clearly at the start of this post. Again, if I had allegiance, I would not have other similar service providers putting up their comments here complete with their links.
But thank you for trying to split hairs!
I read a lot of blogs on related matters and with all due respect, Paula comes across as a level headed and objective moderator. Yes, she is critical but then if you follow her responses, you can not help but notice her glaring willingness to give advise on how some issues can be improved/addressed or rectified (Free Consultation!)....all based on consumer feedback. This, in my view is the essence of a blog such as this especially when it comes to such sensitive topics such as Money matters. Keep up the good work Paula.
ReplyDeleteWell, thank you, Sylvester!
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, I am critical, I would add 'of service providers'. Many people who work online work as hard as the next Kenyan. They have a right to enjoy the proceeds from their work without undue stress. In the same breath, service providers who provide SERVICE deserve commendation as those who don't deserve...whatever...
Thank you again, Sylvester, and thank you to all the readers who comment. All opinions that enhance the discussion are are highly appreciated here.
STATEMENT OF CLARIFICATION FROM EPAY-KENYA. In reference to the post from Anonymous, in which he/she insinuates that the moderator of this blog works for ePAY-KENYA, I wish to clarify that this is NOT TRUE. ePAY-KENYA uses very selected Blog Sites for the purpose of making important announcements on matters which could have significant impact on our current or potential customers such as Rate changes or introduction of new Products. Working Kenya Blog Spot is one of them. Our company policy does not allow any of our staff members to engage in Blog Propaganda as a means of advertising our services. We have built ePAY-KENYA brand over the last four years despite the turbulence that has rocked many other players. Recruiting or seeking any kind of affiliation with bloggers has never, and will never be part of our marketing strategies. In any case, we are guided by the popular adage that goes like 'The sweetness of the pudding is in the eating.' And just for the records, we respect and appreciate all our competitors as they contribute directly or indirectly to the development of our product and brand.
ReplyDeleteNeed I say more?
DeleteGood news.Nation media group has invented a new way of sending money from your paypal account to mpesa.GO to http://nationhela.com and see how you can send cash to your phone from paypal
ReplyDeleteRead more here http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/-/1006/1479848/-/3dkkn4z/-/index.html
They most certainly have! In partnership with DTB Bank. A formidable pair there. Now all we need to do is to figure how their rates are going to look like. I dare predict, knowing the banking world in Kenya, they will make a good buck off transfers. But then again, let me get the facts. Blog coming soon...
DeleteHey Paula Thayrow,
ReplyDeleteHave you tried out the NationHela Card with paypal? Any details?
Brook
waahhh..ok...after said and done..which service do i use to withdraw my money for my paypal account? coz now i have been given so many options but one thing for sure...my gut instinct also dint trust kashlink/eazy-pay from just the telephone conversation we had....and its sad it comes up as the top 3 search results on google.
ReplyDeleteBottom line Gerald... you have three factors to consider; time spent, customer satisfaction, cost of service. Time spent to move cash from paypal into Kenya means you need to think through 'how fast' you need your money. Some providers take more time than others. If that is not important just now, strike it off your list.
ReplyDeleteNext, customer satisfaction! There is some definite mistrust and/or outright customer mis-handling on some platforms. If there are several complaints on that front, you are not going to be treated better. Flee!
If you're good with how others have been handled, move on to cost. With that factor in hand, you have only one and at most two suppliers to deal with.
Now that, in my view, is an easy one. It is called the elimination game and you can go with your gut feeling, or do inki-pinki-ponki for all you are worth! Really... What do you think?
I ended up using Epay-kenya :)
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